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hey everyone welcome to the ufo hub live

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stream uh today's guest is going to be

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david marlar and we'll be talking about

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triangular ufos i'm sorry i don't

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remember exactly the full title but you

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guys will figure it out throughout i'm

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sure um so what i wanted to make a quick

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announcement before we get to to david

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and get started

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i did officially pick a winner last

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wednesday i announced that

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let me see at time is a human construct

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that is the name of the channel that uh

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left the hashtag and the random

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algorithm picked them to win the two

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tickets uh for the conference so i'm

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hoping uh that they'll still get back to

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me i left them a comment um i also was

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let me let me switch this over so if the

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case they're watching you see what i'm

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referring to

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um under their about page there's no

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email and in order for me to know

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exactly that that's the right person

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i would appreciate them leaving an email

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that i can write them to and give them

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further directions of how to claim their

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tickets so initially i said three days

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but i figured i'll give it over the

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weekend hoping that they would get back

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to me or update their page otherwise

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unfortunately i'm going to have to move

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on and then pick another winner that had

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submitted to hopefully win so

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so anyway regarding that i'm sorry the

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tickets are no longer available but you

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can still go to ozark ufoconference.com

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and register

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you can either live stream it or we hope

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you can make it in person and it would

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be in eureka springs

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i think yeah april 8th till 10th forgot

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i think that's pretty much it that

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let me get back here

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but um

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this new guest or this new guest to the

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ufo hub live stream i haven't uh had

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them on this platform before i believe i

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interviewed him twice before and this

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was both times in eureka springs and i

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was always happy to to talk to him one

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time it was very much about a different

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aspect about triangular ufos second time

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it was an anniversary what year it is i

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do not know so you guys know i'm always

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a horrible host so don't blame me for it

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let me switch this over

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so with uh

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without any further ado let me uh bring

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in uh david

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welcome david how are you doing

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i'm doing well it's great to be with you

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all right well i'm i'm glad that we're

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able to uh to get this going and and

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make this happen so

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um i figured just

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again like even though i have uh videos

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about this guest you know often and uh

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some people might know them not everyone

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knows about you so i was wondering if

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you could maybe just start out a little

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bit with with your background and then

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sure um well i've been actively involved

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in ufo research since 1990 uh i've had

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an interest since i was a kid in the

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subject but it wasn't until 1990 i

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became actively involved in reading

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researching learning about the subject

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and ultimately investigating the subject

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i started with mufon the mutual ufo

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network

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i lived in illinois at the time and

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worked my way up the ranks to illinois

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state director which i did for about

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conducted a lot of investigations during

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that time and uh during the course of

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those years started massing what was

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then a very small library and now it's

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developed into a huge research library

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slash center

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where i'm happy to share information

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with not only public audiences across

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the country but with fellow researchers

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enthusiasts with regard to the ufo

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so david i assume is that the the

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library ums behind you is that uh it is

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in the dark shadows there behind me uh

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lurks the the file cabinets and the

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bookcases microfilm audio recordings um

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and it's just a constant uh a piece of

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um as i always like to say it's not a

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static collection it's not the same

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stuff that was here last year the year

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weeks i received two large boxes of

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historic audio recordings both on

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uh recordings uh dating back to the

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and i work and network with a lot of ufo

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researchers and historians that

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particular collection came from my

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friend rod dyke in seattle washington

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and during covid uh we all have stories

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about what we've been doing during covid

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uh during covet i actually digitized 221

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historic audio recordings going back as

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and those involve the historic nightcap

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national investigation committee on

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aerial phenomenon as well as center for

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ufo studies or kufos case files and many

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many other collections that that are

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and i've been going through all of those

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case files the last calendar year

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looking specifically at triangular ufo

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reports that go back to the 1940s 1950s

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1960s and i found a whole new subset of

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a case files pertaining to triangular

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ufos that i did not have when i wrote my

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book in 2013 and so

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as i say it's new historical cases and

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validated insights because what i found

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in those case files that have by the way

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i must mention never been seen by the

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general public until the conference

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coming up in eureka springs

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i found the same characteristics that i

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outlined in my book in 2013 based on the

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historic subset of data i had at that

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time and so it truly is validating for

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what i've written about the subject and

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we're going to go into those case files

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look at the descriptions and in fact

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see the written reports but also hear

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from some of the witnesses describing

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you know i'm definitely not on my a-game

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today out of everything i could have

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mentioned i was like david is the

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um like a tribute to people that have

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specifically a video of you and it was

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funny kind of like got on stage looking

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around at the lights and you know it

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seems like honestly to me maybe other

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people don't see it you still have that

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if i remember the video clip you're

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referring to that was actually from

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april of 2000 which staggers the mind

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for i'm sure you and many of the

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this uh thinking that that was 22 years

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that was the first public lecture i ever

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gave and that was at the request of lou

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ferris who of course uh

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conducted the conferences for many many

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years before dolores cannon took it over

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and uh it was uh i was extremely nervous

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i think i was about ready to throw up to

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be quite honest with you but in 22 years

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i'd like to think that i've gotten more

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comfortable and and been able to hone my

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my public speaking skills to some degree

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but also more importantly have really

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started to develop a rich history of the

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phenomenon and being able to share that

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and that's something i'd like to mention

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at public lectures and i'll say it here

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i can collect all this historic

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information i can put it together into a

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presentable form

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but if it isn't for

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the uh ozark mountain ufo conference in

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eureka springs and other venues

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what's the point we need to have a

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vehicle by which we can share this

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information and i just want to thank you

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and the the conference organizers for

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giving us that platform

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to share the information with people

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that that are interested just as much if

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not more than myself in the subject

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for those that are still very much into

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uh nuts and bolts and i don't mean that

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in negative ways just yes you know in

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this field there's people that are into

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every aspect of of ufology and so uh

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especially when you did the presentation

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about uh battling la there's some things

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that i didn't even know about so i'm

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really glad well because i went

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downstairs i was going to take some

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pictures and then you had like newspaper

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cutouts and what was actually printed

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during that time and there was like not

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just one but like five or six of them

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you know they were all over the place i

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was like if that's not research i don't

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know what is

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well thank you and in fact someone

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remarked at the conference that year

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that uh you know not only do you cite

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your references you actually bring the

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references for us to see

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and so it was really nice to see people

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get a get a kick out of a case from 1942

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and to be able to see you know their

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enthusiasm and their interest and that's

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what i try to do is not only present

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history but breathe life into it and so

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as i get older that spunk that you

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referred to i think is dwindling but i

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like that it's nice that it's nice that

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i apparently still have a little bit of

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it to uh to share with the audience

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right well i mean i don't i don't want

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to necessarily just make this interview

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about this

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specific event but

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there's a difference between what we

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kind of speculate about what was done

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and there's people that always tell

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stories and it's totally different that

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those things that should be in

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conspiratorial uh realms or generally

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are they were on the newspaper

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that's what so that's that's what's so

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beautiful about that kind of research to

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where you go like oh this wasn't just

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some kind of crazy crazy person saying

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that it's like they actually shot at

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this thing

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absolutely absolutely and what we're

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hopefully going to see uh in april with

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my new presentation on triangular ufo

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historical cases

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uh are are is the sincerity and the

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details in these new case files like new

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old case files if i can call them that

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again many of these date back to the

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late 40s early 50s and again what i

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wanted to do

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my goal was for this year's presentation

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is i've talked about my archive i've

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talked about the research that i do and

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the information i collect

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short of bringing everybody here to the

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archive what i want to do is bring the

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archive to the audience and so

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again we're not going to look at one

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case we're going to do a systematic

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overview of decades worth of case files

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but more specifically looking at the

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sketches the written descriptions

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again hearing the audio recordings of

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the witnesses and what you're going to

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see is what i've seen

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that these people are essentially

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reporting the same thing now

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we could say that today about triangular

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reports but the important thing that we

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have to understand is the time frame

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that we're going to be looking at

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respectfully we'll be looking from 1947

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to 1977

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and the reason that i i start there is

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uh this year is the 75th anniversary

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of the modern age of ufos it was you

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know 75 years ago coming this june that

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kenneth arnold was misquoted as saying

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flying saucer

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so i start there and i go to 1977 and

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the reason i do that and i'll discuss

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this in my lecture there's a uk uh ufo

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researcher that in a documentary that i

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was on

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made a comment that well these triangles

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didn't really start appearing until 1977

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and that just happened to coincide with

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the movie star wars

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and what he implied was that due to

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cultural influences

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people saw star wars in 1977 they saw

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this triangular star destroyer and that

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shaped the narrative for people moving

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forward reporting ufos in other words

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they were looking up thinking they were

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seeing triangles

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again as i have often said in the

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subject and this applies to me as well

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as everyone listening it doesn't matter

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what you believe regarding the ufo

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subject if the data doesn't support that

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belief or

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if the data is completely contradictory

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to that belief and what i do is i show

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prior to 1977 with the release of star

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wars

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going back to 47 just in this new set of

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historical case files that i've received

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which by the way is the largest single

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historical collection of case files

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which i have housed here

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i have found over 102

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triangular ufo reports

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these were filed at a time in the 40s

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50s 60s and even early to mid 70s

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when the classic report was that of a

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flying saucer so if people wanted to

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concoct or orchestrate or hoax a ufo

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report you think that they would

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describe a 30-foot silver

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shiny disk

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but in these particular cases and we're

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all going to look at a portion of those

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102

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obviously due to time constraints

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what you find is they're describing the

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triangles that we're getting reports of

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today

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and i use that as kind of a linchpin in

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an argument that

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many people think that all of these

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triangles that are being reported today

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are top secret military aircraft

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how can you use that as a blanket

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explanation and i do concede that some

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triangles today might be military i

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certainly don't rule that out as a

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possibility

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but when you start looking back at the

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1970s 60s 50s 40s

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how long are we going to cling to this

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belief that this is some top secret

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exotic military aircraft that has yet to

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be officially unveiled

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um

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i personally feel that that's a

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revisionist history bordering on the

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delusional to think that we had this

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exotic technology that many decades ago

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yet we've spent billions of dollars on

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inferior technologies like you know

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navy tomcat fighters and stealth

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fighters and stealth bombers

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i think that the historical argument

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shows

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there's a history

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worldwide of these things being reported

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that go way before stealth technology as

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we know it which is suggestive not

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conclusive but suggestive that this is

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someone else's technology in many of

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these cases

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you know david prior to doing ufo hub

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and um during just when i first started

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out my research there's no other

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um

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i guess i don't know if i should say no

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other shape than the triangle ufos that

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really captures most people's attention

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and talk about the most you know maybe

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because it's not conventional maybe

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because it's there's nothing aerodynamic

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about it you know um or at least that i

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don't know off because it would you

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would think it'd be it's in the sky or

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just plop down into the ground you know

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at least when you say a disc well it can

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kind of glide down right if it has some

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kind of wings you know you can assume

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that okay you know

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it will land but

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maybe just to know that something like

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that has been observed and that it flew

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uh it gets the attention in in ways like

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no other so

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hey to well not not wanting to go to

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that direction but do you think that um

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the the for example like a lot of them

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uh uh do say okay this could be military

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is that like more like a leaked rumor or

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or just a rumor period that was just

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made up or do you do you have some

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documents or data that can back that up

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that it could potentially also be

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military for real

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well we don't have any official

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documentation that i've seen or i've

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been privy to to suggest that we do have

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any type of aircraft or vehicle like

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this uh really when you look back at the

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history of the this uh you know military

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explanation it usually is hinged on one

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man's testimony that goes back to the

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1990s his name was edgar fouche

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and he claimed to work at area 51 he

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claimed to be involved in these

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compartmentalized classified projects

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and he claims that they had a vehicle

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that looks very similar to the

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triangular ufos that we're having

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reported both then and now

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and he states that it's called the tr-3b

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and he gives you all this fanciful

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physics that he put out at the time

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saying this is how they fly and this is

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how they operate

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and quite literally and i can't

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emphasize this enough

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it literally

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hinges on his statements

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he has nothing to back it up he has no

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documentation he has no

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valid evidence of any kind to support

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the story that he gave at the time and

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that has just continued to grow

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and i was remarking to a european

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researcher just the other day

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that it's become this pervasive urban

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myth

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within the ufo field that

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people will see video of a triangular

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ufo and you'll see this uh ever-present

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comment on youtube or elsewhere oh it's

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just the tr3b

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like we know for a fact that it exists

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right the fact of the matter is we don't

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it is again a story based on one man's

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testimony unfortunately edgar fuche

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passed away some years ago

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so we can't sit him down and really

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conduct an in-depth interview

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but i like to make a distinction here if

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i might

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people

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state well i believe some of these

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triangles might be military i'm willing

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to go down that path but we have no

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evidence to support it but i'm willing

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to accept that as a definite possibility

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for some of the more modern day accounts

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that being said

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i'm not going to use the term tr3b

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because for those that use the term tr3b

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it implies that you believe the entire

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story told by edgar fouche and i don't

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so whereas

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it's not semantics it's it the devil's

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in the details i can see that there

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might be triangular aircraft that have

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exotic flight characteristics that

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people might be seeing today

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but i'm not going to use the

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nomenclature of tr-3b because in saying

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that i'm endorsing the claims made by

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this man who has no evidence to back it

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up i see so david without getting into

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too much detail but whatever it is that

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you can't talk about

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can you go a little bit about uh some of

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the some of the i guess new things about

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the triangular ufos that you've

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discovered

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absolutely uh again uh it's not so much

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new things but validated insights

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regarding these cases um

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for those that have read my book or

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maybe attended some of my previous

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lectures

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some of the characteristics that we see

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and and you re reference the triangle

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not being aerodynamic necessarily we do

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have triangular aircraft delta wing

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aircraft that that do fly and are

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aerodynamic in nature one of the most

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unusual characteristics exotic

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characteristics with many of these

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reports and i documented this in my book

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and i've shown previous examples but

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guess what in the night cap and kufos

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case files going back into the ninth

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early 1950s we have reports of the

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triangles moving with the flat side as

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the leading edge in other words if you

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think aerodynamics you think the point

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of an aircraft would be the leading edge

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a number of these and we have really

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great sketches by some of these

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witnesses which i'm going to be sharing

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with audience members another reason i

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really love showing the actual case

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files themselves you see the triangle

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and you'll see arrows indicating the

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direction of movement in fact one of the

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audios i have is from 1964 in

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pennsylvania where they were having a

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wave of ufo sightings at that time

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and

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luckily in digitizing the tapes i

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recognized that this case

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was one that i had recently digitized

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for inclusion in my lecture

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and sure enough here's the written

557
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:33,120
eyewitness testimony and here's the

558
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:36,400
recording of the interview from 1964

559
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:38,080
and the witness stated

560
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:40,400
the most defined characteristic of the

561
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:41,919
triangle that he he and a friend

562
00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:45,200
observed was this long broad edge that

563
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:47,120
was the leading edge and sure enough

564
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:48,720
you'll see his sketch

565
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:50,720
showing this flat side and then how it

566
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:52,240
tapers down it was essentially an

567
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:54,080
isosceles triangle

568
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:57,280
and in the audio recording he says well

569
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:58,799
he goes it was really strange he goes it

570
00:22:01,990 --> 00:22:00,400
was this flat side that was the leading

571
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,000
edge and then it kind of tapered off to

572
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,400
a point but that was the leading edge

573
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:06,480
and when you see that in conjunction

574
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:08,320
with the cases that i've outlined in my

575
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:09,840
book and that i've lectured on

576
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:11,120
previously

577
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:12,880
it just shows you this consistent

578
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,039
pattern of reporting and something we

579
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:17,520
have to remember again going back to 64

580
00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:20,159
just taking this one case for example

581
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:22,000
most people didn't even know there were

582
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:23,679
other reports of triangles at the time

583
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:26,320
most ufo researchers didn't know that

584
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:28,480
there was this smaller subset of ufo

585
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:30,400
reports that were triangular

586
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:32,159
and then certainly when we got into the

587
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:35,120
70s and the 80s the triangular ufos did

588
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:38,000
increase in frequency and

589
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:40,799
i know we're going to have cheryl costa

590
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:43,280
presenting her statistical work at the

591
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,799
conference and i'm sure she'll be

592
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:46,720
touching on some of this

593
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:48,640
she provides really great insights

594
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:51,360
looking at the statistics because again

595
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:53,120
we can sit here and say something is

596
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:54,480
prevalent but

597
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:56,159
you know someone like cheryl who i

598
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:58,159
respect highly she's going to show you

599
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:00,799
the numbers the statistics to back it up

600
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:02,960
and so i think

601
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:05,440
between her statistics and my in-depth

602
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:07,600
analysis of some of these cases i think

603
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:09,360
it's going to be a really rich and

604
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:11,120
hopefully educational and entertaining

605
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:14,159
experience at the conference

606
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:16,080
yeah certainly i mean it's always nice

607
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:17,280
to just kind of

608
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:19,600
have some kind of correlation at least

609
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:21,520
i know you at least as far as i know you

610
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:23,440
guys didn't coordinate it so it'll work

611
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:25,520
out great for you representing that and

612
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,320
then her doing that because she

613
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:29,840
2019

614
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:31,760
um it was like the first time i've seen

615
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:34,480
somebody represent data and it not be

616
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,320
boring

617
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,480
you know absolutely and i've remarked to

618
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,080
cheryl we've attended other conferences

619
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:42,080
and i've told her i said i'm so glad

620
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:43,600
you're doing this work because with all

621
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:45,760
due respect statistics was my worst

622
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,000
class in college right

623
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:50,640
it is not my strong point so right and

624
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,880
you know that's what's wonderful about

625
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,720
the conference also is that everyone

626
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:57,120
brings something to the table and it

627
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:59,440
might be an area of specialty mine is

628
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:01,120
doing analysis and looking at the

629
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,000
history and providing historical context

630
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:06,240
for what's being reported today

631
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:08,000
and having someone that looks at

632
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:09,200
statistics and i know we're going to

633
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,600
have a couple great speakers uh that are

634
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:13,520
going to talk about the high strangeness

635
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:16,480
beyond nuts and bolts yeah ray hernandez

636
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:17,840
too

637
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:19,120
they're going to be bringing ray

638
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:21,279
hernandez as well as john alexander

639
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:23,440
they're going to be touching on those

640
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:25,120
high strangeness elements and

641
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,279
consciousness and so

642
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:29,039
we each have a piece of the puzzle

643
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:31,120
that's how i like to look at it one is

644
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:33,760
no more or less important but when we

645
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,120
all come together and we can present

646
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:37,520
this information i think that really

647
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:40,000
fuels the you know the mental juices for

648
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,279
the audience that's going to be able to

649
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,200
sit there and and hear this information

650
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:45,600
hopefully it all coalesces and

651
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:46,480
eventually

652
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:47,919
putting all that information together we

653
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:49,679
may start getting insights and insights

654
00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:51,200
may eventually lead to answers to this

655
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:52,960
phenomenon

656
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,840
right

657
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:55,520
well so um

658
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:57,200
i want to just make a quick comment

659
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,960
because uh there's a question that came

660
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:00,880
in from from somebody that i actually

661
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:02,400
was thinking about asking but i figured

662
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,640
i'd get it over with now and it'll give

663
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:06,400
me an opportunity to let everyone else

664
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:09,039
know um in about 20 minutes we're going

665
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,000
to do a q a with david so you can submit

666
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,159
your question in the chat whether you're

667
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:16,320
watching this on twitch or on youtube

668
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:18,159
please make sure to put three asterisks

669
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,000
before your question so it pops out at

670
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:22,400
me and i know it's not just the regular

671
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,000
chatter that you guys do amongst each

672
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:26,159
other and then also of course

673
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:27,679
in the description below you'll find a

674
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,880
link to the

675
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:31,200
telegram voice chat going on right now

676
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:33,440
and you can join it as well and then uh

677
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:34,720
also

678
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,279
ask a question directly of david um if

679
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:39,679
you if you prefer if not simple

680
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:41,600
submission of of the

681
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,600
question in chat will be just fine and

682
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:46,080
the question was uh basically about uh

683
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:48,880
this is from uh sonia

684
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:51,440
what is it specifically about triangle

685
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,840
ufos was it was it the sheer amount of

686
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:55,440
things that just happened to come your

687
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,120
way uh or or just your own interest that

688
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:01,200
got you to even then write a book about

689
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,440
triangular ufos what specifically about

690
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:05,200
that got your interest

691
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:08,000
that's a great question sonia so when i

692
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:09,840
became involved in ufos as i mentioned

693
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,559
at the beginning uh around 1990

694
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:14,720
there were two or three hot topics

695
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:17,039
within the ufo field at the time one of

696
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,080
which was uh this wave of sightings of

697
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,320
these large triangular platforms aerial

698
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:24,559
platforms that were being reported in

699
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:25,600
belgium

700
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:28,240
and i thought that the descriptions were

701
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:35,190
angles are what i call unambiguous oh

702
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:37,360
david i'm sorry you just cut out you cut

703
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,400
out for

704
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,799
about maybe three seconds um do you set

705
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,480
descriptions and then you cut out one

706
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:44,720
more time please oh sure

707
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:47,039
i was intrigued by the descriptions of

708
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:49,760
these triangular ufos because they were

709
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:51,679
highly detailed in nature

710
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:53,760
the number of witnesses the credibility

711
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,000
of the witnesses military personnel the

712
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:58,799
gendarmes or police officers in belgium

713
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,360
and so that started my interest from an

714
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,120
academic standpoint

715
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:05,120
and i continued to kind of follow the

716
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:07,200
triangular ufo reporting

717
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:10,880
really from 1990 up until 2000 and then

718
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:13,039
as i like to say in 2000

719
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:14,400
as illinois state director i

720
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:15,760
investigated what is now kind of a

721
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:18,399
landmark case in southern illinois

722
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:22,159
involving a very similar triangular ufo

723
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:24,880
reported by multiple police officers

724
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:28,000
that uh described the shape

725
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:29,679
lighting characteristics and flight

726
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,720
dynamics that paralleled or matched what

727
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:34,399
had been reported 10 years prior in

728
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,440
belgium

729
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,200
so that kind of got my mind thinking if

730
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:40,000
there's parallels between these two

731
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:42,399
highly detailed credible documented

732
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,840
sightings

733
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:45,679
what other parallels might exist in the

734
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,799
data

735
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,480
so that led me into

736
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:51,120
uh rather naively and a kind of a

737
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:54,399
cursory review of ufo reports in history

738
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:56,960
and what i found was consistency in

739
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:59,039
these triangles being reported worldwide

740
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,399
over decades

741
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:02,640
and the same characteristics being

742
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:05,440
reported time and time again again

743
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:07,760
especially in the early years at a time

744
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:10,399
when triangles weren't widely reported

745
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:12,080
so it's not like someone could readily

746
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,000
read about this in any ufo book they

747
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:16,240
picked up and then concoct a copycat

748
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:17,279
report

749
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:19,679
and so it was just following the data

750
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:20,880
kind of following that trail of

751
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:23,919
breadcrumbs one case to another and then

752
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:26,799
now having the nycap and kufos case

753
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:29,200
files which i failed to mention i also

754
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:31,120
have sitting here next to me uh dr

755
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:33,039
jaylen heineck's original project blue

756
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:34,320
book files

757
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:35,919
and those are very interesting and we'll

758
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:38,559
touch on one particular case which

759
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:39,520
really

760
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,440
raised the eyebrows for dr heineck as it

761
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:43,919
relates to triangular ufos but hopefully

762
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:46,399
that answers your question

763
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:49,039
you know sadly it was the show that when

764
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:50,960
it when it came out i forgot on which

765
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:53,520
which network about blue book project

766
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:56,720
blue book and and um uh um ellen einic

767
00:29:02,389 --> 00:29:00,240
that it got my um i guess made me more

768
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:02,399
aware how important it was to the field

769
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,559
you know i i felt kind of silly not

770
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:06,240
knowing that ahead of time you know

771
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:07,760
because everyone kind of starts out in

772
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:10,159
their own research and then only later

773
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:12,000
you find all these other you know people

774
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:13,600
that were been doing this for years so

775
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,240
you're like oh okay

776
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:18,159
absolutely

777
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,840
no please go ahead i was just gonna

778
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:21,840
mention briefly uh

779
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,880
the project blue book material uh is out

780
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,559
in the public domain online and

781
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:28,559
elsewhere but what's unique about the

782
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:31,039
files here uh and this goes back even

783
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:33,279
into the early years into the the early

784
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:34,399
50s

785
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:36,720
you get to see not only the case files

786
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:39,600
but dr heineck's handwritten notes

787
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:41,600
where he would take complete

788
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,640
contradictory viewpoints on a case

789
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:47,039
uh relative to the air force explanation

790
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:49,440
and you see him cross out where they say

791
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:52,080
plasma or ball lightning and he'll draw

792
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:53,840
a line through it and then write

793
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:55,600
unidentified and underline it three

794
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:57,840
times and then you'll quite often see

795
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,000
little marginalia written why didn't the

796
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:02,240
air force obtain radar data in this case

797
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,190
you get to see

798
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:11,840
this um angst if you will the

799
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:13,600
frustration that he was dealing with

800
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:15,679
with the air force's take on the ufo

801
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:17,840
subject

802
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:21,679
um sorry for some reason um

803
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:23,600
again it was like just for a split

804
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:25,120
second it was like maybe three seconds

805
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:26,559
that you just kind of

806
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:28,880
paused on us uh audio and video wasn't

807
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:30,080
coming through but i think we got the

808
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,720
gist of it um yeah the connection is

809
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:34,480
clean and great otherwise i don't know

810
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:36,559
why it's happening but we'll work

811
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:38,159
through it um

812
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:39,679
so

813
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:42,960
regarding uh now moving forward and you

814
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:43,919
you know

815
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:48,240
in this field and and

816
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:50,320
what it is and how you present the data

817
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:51,919
and what it is that you do

818
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,360
um

819
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:55,200
what kind of interest if any that you

820
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:57,279
can share of all these other more

821
00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:59,919
governmental higher level groups that if

822
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:01,760
i'm not mistaken have then kind of

823
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:04,480
noticed you what is it specifically that

824
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:07,679
about your research that interests them

825
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:08,559
well

826
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:10,960
specifically uh you know i can mention

827
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:13,200
chris mellon who's been on a number of

828
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:14,799
different productions and documentaries

829
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:17,360
with me uh chris and i still continue to

830
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,559
share information

831
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,640
i think it just really comes down to the

832
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:22,799
fact that uh in this kind of echoes what

833
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:25,120
i've heard from audiences uh across the

834
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:27,200
country over the years i think people

835
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:30,080
respect the fact that i'm showing you

836
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:32,480
documented information contemporaneous

837
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:34,799
reports going back decades

838
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:37,200
i'm not simply giving you a story and

839
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,200
not citing my references i'm telling you

840
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:41,279
the newspaper it came from i'm telling

841
00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:43,120
you the government records group it came

842
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:45,679
from i'm citing my resources which you

843
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,440
know when i was going to college that

844
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:49,679
was research 101 always cite your

845
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:53,440
references unfortunately uh and your

846
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,440
audience may acknowledge this with with

847
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:57,840
other individuals there's many people in

848
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:01,200
the ufo field that spout off stories or

849
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:04,000
will go down conspiracy trails and tell

850
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,480
you these things but they can't tie it

851
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:08,880
to anything they can't cite well this is

852
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:11,120
where i got it or this is the document

853
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:13,039
dated from this time period that says

854
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:16,080
this or here's the newspaper account i

855
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:18,799
really try to respect my audience by

856
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,279
providing you the sources by which i'm

857
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:23,600
deriving this information and i do that

858
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:25,840
for two reasons one you feel free to

859
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:28,399
please fact check me but also i provided

860
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:29,760
in the hopes that people will take the

861
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:32,080
information that i'm putting out

862
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:33,440
grab that

863
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,519
go to those sources and then take it

864
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:37,360
even further you know

865
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:39,200
feel free to show me up by taking that

866
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,679
research to the whole new level and i i

867
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:42,960
hope that i can serve as kind of an

868
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:45,200
inspiration for for young researchers i

869
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:47,360
was just talking to a gentleman who just

870
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:49,600
recently got involved in the field and

871
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:52,320
he was asking my guidance on uh how to

872
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,080
do research and where should i go and

873
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,480
how do i do this and so

874
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:58,559
since the new york times article in

875
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:01,919
december 2017 and and more recently last

876
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:04,559
year with the pentagon uap report

877
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,720
there's a whole new generation of people

878
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:08,320
getting interested in the subject and

879
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:10,799
i've had people approach me uh and it's

880
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:12,799
just so exciting to see

881
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,720
people coming in with a fresh set of

882
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:16,799
eyes to look at the data to look at the

883
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,279
history and as i always like to say the

884
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,120
more brains and the more sets of eyes we

885
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:23,279
have looking at the data the better

886
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,120
we're going to be armed and prepared to

887
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:27,279
try to tackle this subject and maybe

888
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:29,279
find insights and maybe ultimately some

889
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:32,080
answers to the subject matter

890
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,679
you know i certainly appreciate that

891
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,440
when when there's new interests and

892
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:36,960
people kind of pursue things on their

893
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,919
own i've often said on on this show and

894
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:41,840
i don't know what that's what i want to

895
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:43,840
you know come back around to you

896
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:46,720
regarding this specific um i guess i

897
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,880
call it sometimes a problem but so i

898
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:50,640
always tell them i said you know i'm

899
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,880
glad you're watching you're for hub but

900
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:55,200
most people that know why i do yo for

901
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:56,640
hub they know also the reason why i

902
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,360
started it and and my

903
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:01,200
although i just wish to provide

904
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:03,039
information people i want them to take

905
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,799
it and then do something with it right

906
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:07,200
to help them out in some way if i say

907
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:10,960
well uh try taking steps a b and c at d

908
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,440
right um to actually then you know

909
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,599
see if that actually works for you too

910
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:17,760
you know as it did for me and so

911
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:19,359
sometimes it drives me nuts when they

912
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:20,879
come back and you'll be like well man

913
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:22,320
it's the next show well it's the next

914
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:23,760
show i'm like but then you're just using

915
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:25,599
this for entertainment purposes which i

916
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,320
guess it's fine but do you ever get

917
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,240
irked i guess if that's the right word

918
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,560
to people say well david what's next for

919
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:34,560
you what what what's the next great big

920
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:36,399
book you're gonna write or or tell us

921
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:38,000
something about something new does that

922
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,679
ever drive you nuts about why did you

923
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:41,599
look into this yourself

924
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,639
well

925
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:44,240
yes and no i mean it's a double-edged

926
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:45,520
sword i mean certainly when people are

927
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,960
asking you know what are you working on

928
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,720
next or you know what's your next book

929
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:50,399
on i mean that's certainly you know one

930
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,760
of the highest compliments that they're

931
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:53,280
interested enough to ask you that

932
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,440
question um but no uh i uh in giving my

933
00:35:01,750 --> 00:34:59,359
lectures on different subjects not just

934
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,760
triangular ufos quite often uh in the

935
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:03,280
lectures i've given there was one in

936
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,359
phoenix where i was talking about the

937
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:07,359
battle of la in my research on that that

938
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,520
we were discussing earlier and someone

939
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:11,599
said did you ever think about accessing

940
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:13,760
this government records group and it was

941
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:16,079
one that i didn't mention in my lecture

942
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:18,079
and when people suggest well did you

943
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:19,760
ever think about looking at this or did

944
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,760
you ever think about researching this i

945
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:23,119
always turned the question around on the

946
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,560
individual asking the question i said

947
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:26,640
well no i've gone through the army

948
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:27,920
records but if you want to go through

949
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,359
the naval records i would highly

950
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,359
encourage you to do that and maybe in

951
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:32,880
the next year or two you can come back

952
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:35,119
and tell us what your findings are

953
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:35,920
so

954
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:37,599
you know i can't do it all right i

955
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,359
always like to say i don't do this for a

956
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:41,520
living i don't i've only written one ufo

957
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:43,520
book i don't write ufo books

958
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:45,760
as a cottage industry

959
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:48,160
i have a successful career

960
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,680
i have a family and in my spare time

961
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:53,760
i try to do as much ufo research and

962
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:56,160
archiving and historical preservation as

963
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:59,200
possible but i can't do it alone even if

964
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:01,280
i was doing it full time i can't do it

965
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:05,520
alone and admittedly and it's sad to say

966
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,880
having attended

967
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:08,560
the eureka springs conference for so

968
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:09,680
many years

969
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,359
many of the researchers that i used to

970
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:13,680
attend their lectures have since passed

971
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:15,760
on and many of my colleagues that are

972
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:18,000
older than me have passed on

973
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:18,960
and

974
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:20,720
unfortunately we don't see a lot of

975
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:22,800
people that are younger

976
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:25,440
filling those shoes and you know taking

977
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,400
the baton

978
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:28,320
and then running with it and conducting

979
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:31,200
research into the next five 10 15 20

980
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:33,040
years so

981
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:36,240
you know if if if not myself if my other

982
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:37,920
fellow speakers at the conference can

983
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,480
serve as inspiration for the younger

984
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,560
generation to start becoming actively

985
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:44,240
involved in the subject

986
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:46,960
i think that's just a great thing

987
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,880
yeah no but certainly certainly you know

988
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:50,160
and um

989
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:51,599
but you know dude

990
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:53,200
at the same time i guess there's there

991
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:54,960
was always just this hope you know left

992
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:57,280
us like maybe someone would be like wow

993
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,560
you know i can

994
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:00,640
i can go and do something you know and

995
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:03,040
and and figure something else well the

996
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:04,960
more ice you have because

997
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:07,680
look you know it's a lot easier you know

998
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,839
for a larger group people all over the

999
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:11,760
country all over the world to collect

1000
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:13,040
these different pieces that could be

1001
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,200
useful as opposed to one person trying

1002
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:17,200
to have to travel here and then go back

1003
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:18,720
there and then go across the world

1004
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:20,240
somewhere else and it will be a lot

1005
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:22,000
easier just to collect that connect

1006
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:24,000
those dots you know that way by just

1007
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:25,040
having

1008
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:27,040
more as part of the group

1009
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:29,280
well and i will say since covid and

1010
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:32,160
since i was uh last in eureka springs

1011
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:33,920
um i've been involved in a number of

1012
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:36,400
very you know high quality productions

1013
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:38,000
uh you know the history channels

1014
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,720
unidentified tv series i i was featured

1015
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:42,960
on that we had an episode specifically

1016
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:45,520
dedicated to triangles and i worked with

1017
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,359
ross colthard uh one of the leading

1018
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:49,920
journalists in australia for his uh

1019
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:52,400
documentary film the phenomenon and also

1020
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:54,560
james fox's documentary by the same name

1021
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,119
the phenomenon but as a result of that

1022
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:59,280
and the worldwide exposure just touching

1023
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:01,280
on what you just referenced

1024
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:03,760
i have established in just the last two

1025
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:05,119
or three years

1026
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:07,920
more international connections with

1027
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:11,839
individuals groups and researchers

1028
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:14,240
across the globe and we're starting that

1029
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:16,800
international dialogue to a level that i

1030
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:19,040
never ever thought i would ever attain

1031
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:20,400
and i'm working right now with a

1032
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:21,839
gentleman in wales who's doing a

1033
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:26,400
documentary on a famous triangle uh case

1034
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:28,640
in wales that occurred back in the early

1035
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:29,760
80s

1036
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,520
there's a gentleman in the netherlands

1037
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:33,599
who's doing a documentary currently on a

1038
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:35,280
famous military

1039
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:37,760
sighting of a triangular ufo

1040
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:40,640
and so there's a lot going on globally

1041
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:43,119
that quite often we don't hear about but

1042
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:44,960
in networking with those individuals i'm

1043
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:47,200
providing material to provide historical

1044
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:48,320
context

1045
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,880
they're sharing information with me

1046
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:52,640
and who's to say in another year two or

1047
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:54,000
three i might be able to share some of

1048
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:56,079
their information here in the united

1049
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:57,760
states it's just that international

1050
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:00,000
exchange i'll also be on a virtual

1051
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:02,800
global uh international panel based out

1052
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:04,320
of brazil

1053
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:06,240
later this summer and i'm really looking

1054
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:07,839
forward to that opportunity we'll have

1055
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:10,640
representatives from portugal brazil

1056
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:14,240
canada the uk and two or three other

1057
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:17,599
countries across the globe and so

1058
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,359
not only do we have a new generation

1059
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:21,119
forming but we we're starting to see

1060
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:23,359
this just burgeoning international level

1061
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:25,920
of cooperation and information sharing

1062
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:28,880
and again i i don't think we can you can

1063
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:30,480
never have enough data as i always like

1064
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:32,720
to say and so having that international

1065
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:35,359
exchange of information and ideas with

1066
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:37,359
people from all walks of life from

1067
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:40,160
various uh countries across the globe

1068
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:41,599
it's kind of what i dreamed about to be

1069
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:43,520
quite honest i always used to say when i

1070
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:45,920
was very early in this subject uh we

1071
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:47,599
need to have the united nations of

1072
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:50,079
ufology where we can all come together

1073
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:52,720
and share information and in a loose and

1074
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:54,000
formal sort of way i think we're

1075
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:55,760
starting to see that uh continue to

1076
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,000
develop

1077
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:00,480
so david um i would like to then go into

1078
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:03,280
uh question and answers next but uh just

1079
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:05,040
so i give everyone enough time since i

1080
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,640
just now sprung it on them that we're

1081
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:08,480
starting this i'm going to ask you a

1082
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:10,319
question and i hope they take that

1083
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:11,599
opportunity to

1084
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:14,160
submit the question so um

1085
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,760
all of you watching if you have a

1086
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:17,520
question for david now

1087
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:19,839
in the chat please put three asterisk

1088
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:22,800
asterisks um i can't speak today ask her

1089
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:25,280
rick says before your question if you're

1090
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:27,119
on telegram please raise your hand so i

1091
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,440
can add you to my queue and so that way

1092
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,440
i'll um already have some questions

1093
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,119
lined up for david after ask this

1094
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:35,280
particular one so david we already kind

1095
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:38,000
of uh you mentioned it regarding this

1096
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,960
you know a lot of times um people always

1097
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,880
want to say that the government doesn't

1098
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:44,720
want people to know about certain things

1099
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:46,880
about ufology and that they'll put out

1100
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:48,800
enough you know a lot of misinformation

1101
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:51,040
out there but uh just

1102
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:53,200
sort of kind of in this uh

1103
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:54,960
tr 3b

1104
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:56,000
example

1105
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:58,319
sometimes it's the very people that are

1106
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:00,560
into this field and that are also being

1107
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:04,000
the counter productive party for lack of

1108
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:07,200
better word um do you find that that's a

1109
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:09,680
huge hindrance or do you think that the

1110
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,839
the guys that really you know put in the

1111
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,680
work to figure out exactly what's going

1112
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:15,359
on that they're not going to be hindered

1113
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:17,920
by those types in the field

1114
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:19,520
well it is frustrating and i think

1115
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,520
earlier you mentioned the angst that i

1116
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:23,200
sometimes you know get with certain

1117
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:25,119
things and that's one of the the biggest

1118
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:26,720
issues that i have

1119
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:29,359
admittedly the united states government

1120
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:31,520
over the years has put out misleading

1121
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:33,200
information misinformation

1122
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:34,560
disinformation

1123
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:36,480
uh again the blue book files i have

1124
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:38,000
right here where they have explanations

1125
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:40,000
that are just factually inaccurate it

1126
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:42,319
simply doesn't fit the facts or

1127
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:44,319
if the the planet or constellation

1128
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:45,680
they're saying was an explanation for

1129
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,000
the sighting well it wasn't visible at

1130
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:49,920
that part of the country at that at that

1131
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,400
time of night uh so there's demonstrable

1132
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,000
cases where clearly they were just

1133
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,640
putting out false information

1134
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:58,640
the the most frustrating thing though i

1135
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:01,200
think i have with regard to the subject

1136
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:02,720
is when we have

1137
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:05,760
seemingly well-meaning ufo researchers

1138
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:06,800
out there

1139
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:08,800
that are

1140
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:11,040
putting forth and promulgating

1141
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:12,000
uh

1142
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,800
information that is you know extremely

1143
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,480
questionable at best

1144
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:18,640
in other words purported government

1145
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:20,720
documents that don't have an official

1146
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,240
provenance where

1147
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:24,400
quite literally a researcher gets an

1148
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,319
email with what looks like a government

1149
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,319
document that has tantalizing

1150
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:30,720
information about ufos and they're

1151
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:32,480
lecturing on it and putting it out there

1152
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:33,920
saying look i have this government

1153
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,400
document well until you can verify

1154
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:38,560
the legitimacy of that document you

1155
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,960
shouldn't be doing that or if you are at

1156
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:42,800
least put it out there with you know

1157
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:44,560
certain caveats that look i can't

1158
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,079
guarantee the authenticity of this

1159
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:48,480
document but this is what it says

1160
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:50,560
but you have many researchers that you

1161
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:52,960
know do like to sell books do like to

1162
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:55,440
focus on the sensational and they put

1163
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:57,760
that what i call spurious information

1164
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:00,880
out there or they'll they'll use that as

1165
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,440
the linchpin in their argument that you

1166
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:05,520
know there's this great great conspiracy

1167
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:07,599
or there's this fantastic tale i'm going

1168
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:10,319
to to lecture on and write a book about

1169
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:11,520
um

1170
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:16,400
for the existence of ufos and how we're

1171
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,319
looking at it and approaching it it's

1172
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:20,000
only as strong as the weakest link and

1173
00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:22,079
when you use information like that or if

1174
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:24,640
you're citing someone that is known not

1175
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:27,200
to be credible yet you're taking what

1176
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,520
they're telling you and running with it

1177
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,440
as it gets repeated and told over and

1178
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:33,440
over again it becomes fact in many

1179
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:34,800
people's minds

1180
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:35,920
and so

1181
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:37,839
i don't want to delude myself i don't

1182
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:40,240
want to delude my audiences and anybody

1183
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,839
that that knows me and i'll have lots of

1184
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,520
personal friends that can attest to this

1185
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:45,599
at the conference this year as i do many

1186
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:48,000
years they will tell you you know i try

1187
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,839
to properly vet the information to the

1188
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:51,920
best of my ability when i'm presenting

1189
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:52,800
it

1190
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:54,880
unfortunately many people many ufo

1191
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:57,200
researchers don't do that and it's

1192
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:00,079
ironic because those same researchers in

1193
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:03,040
a sense are spreading disinformation

1194
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:04,560
at the same time they're blaming

1195
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:05,920
government authorities for spreading

1196
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:07,359
disinformation

1197
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,480
if you're not

1198
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:10,079
going to vet your information

1199
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,079
appropriately if you're not going to

1200
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:14,160
verify and in some cases

1201
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:16,000
tell them look this information is not

1202
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,400
valid if you're out there spinning it

1203
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,880
and telling it to audiences

1204
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:22,240
you're doing what you're accusing the

1205
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:23,760
government of doing

1206
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:25,119
putting out disinformation

1207
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:28,000
misinformation

1208
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:29,920
all right david great uh thanks for that

1209
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,000
i appreciate it and uh so

1210
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:34,319
um if you're ready for question answers

1211
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:35,119
uh

1212
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:37,520
might as well start now so again if

1213
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,280
there's one that you just want me to

1214
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:41,280
skip over or not sure about just let me

1215
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:43,280
know we'll move on to the next one um

1216
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:44,720
this one is from

1217
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,520
robert asking uh greetings or questions

1218
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:49,599
for you guys have you guys experienced

1219
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:52,640
successful ce5 events what do you think

1220
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:55,119
about ce5 and all the video evidence

1221
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,160
throughout facebook and youtube

1222
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,800
i mean the ce5 is definitely interesting

1223
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:03,200
um i haven't engaged in that area of

1224
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:04,880
research myself but i know there are

1225
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:06,560
some credible individuals that are doing

1226
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:07,359
that

1227
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:10,800
reached out wanting to talk to

1228
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:13,599
experiencers that i felt were credible

1229
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:14,800
and they were actually going to be

1230
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:17,119
working on some experiments with regard

1231
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:18,560
to ce5

1232
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:21,599
uh i i don't have any any uh detailed

1233
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:23,920
information regarding that project but

1234
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:25,599
again as i alluded to whether we're

1235
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,400
talking nuts and bolts abductions ce5

1236
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:30,800
events i think it's all important and i

1237
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:33,920
think one that one comment i made to a

1238
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:35,920
researcher recently was

1239
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:38,400
it doesn't matter what you study

1240
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:39,920
whether we're talking about the confines

1241
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:42,720
of ufos or outside the realm of ufos uh

1242
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:45,040
including ce5s it doesn't matter what

1243
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:46,720
you're studying the only thing that

1244
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:49,359
matters is your research methodology

1245
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:51,200
if you're looking at something in an

1246
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:53,920
objective way in a standardized way

1247
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:54,800
and

1248
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:55,680
uh

1249
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,359
you're honest with yourself and looking

1250
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:59,119
at the data i think you can study

1251
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,359
virtually anything and the ce5 is

1252
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,440
certainly one of those that is highly

1253
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:05,520
interesting and highly unusual but i

1254
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:07,599
personally haven't uh engaged in it

1255
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,079
myself

1256
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:12,160
great thank you for that uh the next

1257
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:14,560
question uh would be from niels and he's

1258
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:16,880
on telegram so he'll ask it himself

1259
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:19,119
niels you are unmuted on my end and mute

1260
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:20,640
yourself and yours and please ask your

1261
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:26,710
i was just wondering if you wanted to

1262
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:29,680
for me to talk let's see

1263
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:30,880
well i'm sorry

1264
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:32,480
we don't have time for that right now do

1265
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:38,470
uh what are the star people uh are they

1266
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,359
gonna intervene in uh if the world goes

1267
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:44,790
um

1268
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:47,760
can you speak on that uh i i wouldn't i

1269
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:49,520
wouldn't have any any way of having

1270
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:52,640
insight into that but uh i i don't think

1271
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:54,079
that uh i mean this is just my own

1272
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:56,240
personal view i i don't think that

1273
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:57,599
they're here to save us i don't think

1274
00:47:04,309 --> 00:46:59,680
they're here to destroy us but you know

1275
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:07,030
observational in nature and

1276
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:09,359
they're watching a society

1277
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,440
in its relative infancy to be quite

1278
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:13,760
honest uh seeing how we develop and

1279
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:15,839
seeing how we interact with each other

1280
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:18,160
um there's been many many other wars

1281
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:20,800
where they haven't intervened and so

1282
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:22,960
i i don't hold out hope that there are

1283
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:32,710
i think that hold on quick

1284
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:34,559
you cut out again you said some people

1285
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:37,280
believe and then you you cut out

1286
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:39,040
oh some people believe they're here to

1287
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:41,280
save us i don't necessarily subscribe to

1288
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:43,760
that um i think that uh they're here

1289
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:44,960
observing

1290
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,960
uh and again looking at other wars that

1291
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:48,240
have taken place where they haven't

1292
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:50,800
intervened uh it seems like they're

1293
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,960
interested in every facet of our society

1294
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:54,720
unfortunately one that seems to be

1295
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:57,119
predominant in our history is warfare

1296
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:58,400
and conflict

1297
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:01,680
and so i could be wrong but uh i think

1298
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:03,359
that they're here observing

1299
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:05,200
and watching the red ants fighting with

1300
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:06,880
the black ants so to speak if i can use

1301
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:09,280
the insect analogy right right

1302
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:10,720
great thank you david and niels thanks

1303
00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:12,640
for your question uh the next question

1304
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:14,559
is from roon

1305
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:15,920
r-u-n-e

1306
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,079
asking what was the earliest triangle

1307
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:21,200
sighting and what's the latest

1308
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:24,000
oh great question um the earliest one

1309
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:25,920
that i have which has been referenced in

1310
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:29,200
my book as well as elsewhere is 1882

1311
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:30,800
but once i was able to obtain an

1312
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,160
original copy of the report it was

1313
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:34,319
actually 1881 so i was off by one year

1314
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:35,920
of my apologies

1315
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:37,359
that was actually in a scientific

1316
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:39,200
american edition which i have an

1317
00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:41,119
original copy of now

1318
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:43,839
and it described astronomers uh

1319
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:46,720
seeing two black triangular notches

1320
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,960
moving over the lunar surface or in

1321
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:50,880
front of the lunar surface

1322
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:52,720
and this was

1323
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:54,079
discussed and

1324
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:56,960
recreated quite well in the smithsonian

1325
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:58,640
channel

1326
00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:00,079
tv show

1327
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:02,240
that they did on ufos and we did an

1328
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,720
episode on triangles uh that's one of

1329
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:06,480
the earliest accounts that i have that

1330
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:07,280
is

1331
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,680
fairly detailed uh again the further you

1332
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:11,520
go back in time the less detail you seem

1333
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:14,319
to have in many of these narratives um

1334
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:17,040
the most recent uh i i haven't kept up

1335
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:18,559
on the recent one so much because i've

1336
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:21,040
been so focused on the history uh would

1337
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,880
probably be the latest ones reported at

1338
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,960
the national ufo reporting center which

1339
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:27,200
uh usually they usually lag about a

1340
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,880
month or two to get those uploaded but

1341
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:30,240
you know i'm sure that there's there

1342
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:32,240
have probably been sightings and reports

1343
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,839
in north america within just the last

1344
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:35,760
week alone

1345
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:38,319
so this one just to because uh um this

1346
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:40,720
kind of would answer a question for many

1347
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:42,559
others too uh this is also from roon

1348
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:43,680
maroon

1349
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:45,760
usually i try to get as many people as

1350
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:48,400
possible but this was pretty good as

1351
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,520
simply saying

1352
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:51,440
hi this is no question but i have a clip

1353
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,839
of a ufo you might find interesting to

1354
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,599
me it looks

1355
00:50:02,230 --> 00:49:57,680
wet shaped standing still in the air and

1356
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:02,240
rotating it was filmed in sweden 2018 so

1357
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:04,400
do you have do you

1358
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:06,720
do you encourage people to email you or

1359
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:09,440
no regarding some some videos or some

1360
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,520
information that they have

1361
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,760
they can certainly i do preface that

1362
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:15,359
though by stating i'm not a photo or

1363
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:17,680
video expert i don't include photos or

1364
00:50:20,230 --> 00:50:19,200
videos of my lectures for that very

1365
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:20,240
reason

1366
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:21,920
my area of expertise isn't photo

1367
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,240
analysis or video analysis i do have

1368
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:26,640
individuals though that i can call on if

1369
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:28,640
there's a significant video that someone

1370
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,559
sends me and have them look at that but

1371
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:32,160
i would certainly love to see that you

1372
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:34,079
know if you'd like to send that to me

1373
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:35,359
uh i'd

1374
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,880
certainly like to see that quite often

1375
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:39,119
though i get

1376
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:41,280
photos or videos and people will tell me

1377
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:42,640
it's a dramatic

1378
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,200
uh photo or video of a triangle and it's

1379
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:47,520
a little black dot that's seen for maybe

1380
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:49,599
half a second on the video

1381
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:50,400
and

1382
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:51,839
i thought many of those well there could

1383
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:53,359
be an insect i i don't know what that

1384
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:55,119
was but

1385
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:57,040
but i would certainly like to see that i

1386
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,240
don't think i'm familiar with that one

1387
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,559
from sweden

1388
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:03,119
you know um this is just a selfishly

1389
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:05,440
asking question myself uh

1390
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:07,599
regarding the conference itself though

1391
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:09,839
you've been going for you know there for

1392
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:11,359
many years and you know what the

1393
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:13,440
environment is roughly

1394
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:15,520
have there been some people there that

1395
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:17,599
um kind of gave you

1396
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,599
i guess like um

1397
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,680
i don't know just like a

1398
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:23,280
like something like wow this person

1399
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:25,119
truly is what they say they are let's

1400
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:26,400
say that they are

1401
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,480
in connection with governments or

1402
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:30,480
specific agencies and all these other

1403
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:33,200
things or uh does everyone just kind of

1404
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:34,480
seem like they're full of it because

1405
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:37,040
they just talk about you know everything

1406
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:38,800
and anything because if you attended the

1407
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:41,040
conference you know how that is everyone

1408
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:42,960
will i mean my very first conference in

1409
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:45,119
2012 and this was before even dolores

1410
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:48,160
took took the um um took it over it was

1411
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:49,760
so funny there's a guy in the trench

1412
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,520
coat just running around and he would

1413
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,760
just go up to people and hand him a card

1414
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:55,680
it says free right off the planet free

1415
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:57,599
right off the planet you know i was like

1416
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:59,680
awesome i'm at the right place you know

1417
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,200
and thankfully knowing that this was

1418
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:03,280
just an attendee and the speakers ended

1419
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:05,359
as being spectacular and you know which

1420
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:07,680
also reminded me in 2012 i'd like to

1421
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:08,960
find out

1422
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:11,520
this person that talked um

1423
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:13,440
they they basically said that this was

1424
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:14,720
their last time that they would be

1425
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:16,800
speaking publicly because of at the

1426
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:18,640
level that they're at they're going to

1427
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:22,800
be having a classified uh uh

1428
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:25,839
degree or classification um or top

1429
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:28,160
secret or not top secret but another

1430
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:30,160
level of security toward now they cannot

1431
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:32,480
do conferences anymore and some videos

1432
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:35,200
that they showed was very interesting so

1433
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,839
uh and i believe they recorded this so i

1434
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:39,599
might during the conference or maybe a

1435
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:42,000
bit early i'd like to at least be one of

1436
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:43,520
those people and send you this footage

1437
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:46,000
not not um you know because this was

1438
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:49,280
like 2012 i'm not saying that cgi could

1439
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:51,839
not have been at play but the way he was

1440
00:52:56,790 --> 00:52:54,400
describing what he said he knew and when

1441
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:56,800
he then showed this footage it was like

1442
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:58,800
man this is really something you know

1443
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:00,559
and he was basically claiming that this

1444
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:03,440
one particular video was a test flight

1445
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:06,559
uh because um and and he was saying that

1446
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:08,319
they have to still do it slowly because

1447
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:11,040
they haven't figured out some um you

1448
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:12,480
know that that gravitate to

1449
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:14,720
gravitational pull so if they did like

1450
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:16,400
uh immediate 90 degrees they'll turn

1451
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:18,800
into a pancake in within the ship itself

1452
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:20,400
but anyway sure there's something i want

1453
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:22,000
to send you and they will it'll have

1454
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:23,440
their name it'll be funny if it's

1455
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:25,040
actually that t

1456
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:27,520
t or 3b guy but it seems like this

1457
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:29,440
sounded like uh you saw him speak

1458
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:31,839
earlier than 2012.

1459
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:33,119
yes yeah

1460
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:35,760
i was actually at i was a speaker in uh

1461
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:38,160
2012 at the conference and so i know it

1462
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:40,160
wasn't edgar fouche

1463
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:41,680
uh but i'm trying to remember which

1464
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:42,640
speaker that

1465
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:44,640
okay well even better i'm sorry that

1466
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:47,359
that i forgot about that too so i don't

1467
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:49,280
yeah it was uh i'll look up the listing

1468
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:52,559
because everything after 2000 2013 is

1469
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:54,960
when ozark has names and files and

1470
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:56,720
things like that everything before that

1471
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:59,119
was handled by different groups so

1472
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:01,119
i don't know if they have videos out i

1473
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:03,520
hope it's it's available for at least

1474
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:05,920
purchase or be received somehow

1475
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:07,359
i think i might actually have all of

1476
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:09,520
those on dvd so i could certainly work

1477
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:10,400
with you

1478
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:13,200
we'll try to it is if if anything just

1479
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,359
if it's not too much trouble if you can

1480
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:17,280
like just hook me up when we go to a

1481
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:19,200
conference i'll even more than happy to

1482
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:21,760
pay you for your copy you know because

1483
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:24,240
you know i'd love to just uh that aspect

1484
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:25,680
of just to know who that person was

1485
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:26,559
because

1486
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:28,000
probably if they didn't have a website

1487
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:30,000
if they really didn't take over fully

1488
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:31,599
because they immediately handed it over

1489
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:35,200
in 2013 so i don't know you know who ran

1490
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:37,520
what and and what it could be i'll

1491
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:39,119
probably have to google the hell out of

1492
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:41,599
it just to maybe find something

1493
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,520
well going back to the conference for a

1494
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:45,440
minute and just the the level of people

1495
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:46,559
that are there

1496
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:49,119
uh it was actually speaking in 2000 on

1497
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:51,440
this january 5th 2000 case i referenced

1498
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,400
earlier uh in stepping off the podium

1499
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:56,559
and stepping down from the stage a

1500
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,319
gentleman came up to me immediately

1501
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:00,640
after that and presented his business

1502
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,280
card and he was my friend richard taylor

1503
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:05,520
who worked for the faa

1504
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:07,280
and he said dave if you need assistance

1505
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:09,040
with radar data in that case he goes i

1506
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:10,480
might be able to help you he goes i

1507
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:12,079
helped install the radar systems at

1508
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:13,760
lambert international airport in st

1509
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:16,720
louis oh so it was as a result of

1510
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:19,599
speaking on this case that about uh four

1511
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:21,760
or five weeks or so after that i was in

1512
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,599
the control tower at lambert

1513
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:25,200
international airport talking to the air

1514
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:26,720
traffic controllers about the ufo

1515
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:29,119
subject and i always mentioned that that

1516
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:31,440
was as you can imagine one year prior to

1517
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:33,680
9 11. so

1518
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:35,599
you know uh i wouldn't have been able to

1519
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:37,440
do that a year later or two years later

1520
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,839
but prior to 9 11 security was very

1521
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,520
relaxed and i was able to go right into

1522
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:43,200
the control tower with my friend richard

1523
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:44,319
who they knew

1524
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:46,160
and so you never know who you're going

1525
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:47,680
to meet at these conferences or who's

1526
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:50,000
attending and beyond the conferences

1527
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:51,520
itself

1528
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:53,920
just in the last couple of years

1529
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:57,680
i've had a gentleman contact me not tied

1530
00:56:02,390 --> 00:55:59,680
to any government project or anything

1531
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,400
but i do local radio here in albuquerque

1532
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:04,480
new mexico where i live and i had a

1533
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:06,960
caller call in and he said that he was a

1534
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:08,720
retired lieutenant colonel in the air

1535
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:09,599
force

1536
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:11,599
and he would love to come to my research

1537
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:13,359
center and see some of the original

1538
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:15,280
project blue book documents

1539
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:17,359
and about two or three weeks after that

1540
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:18,880
we were able to finally coordinate our

1541
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:20,000
schedules

1542
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:22,000
not only did he come out a retired

1543
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:23,920
lieutenant colonel in the air force he

1544
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:25,920
brought his best friend who's a retired

1545
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,319
colonel in the air force who happened to

1546
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:30,720
be in charge when he was active duty he

1547
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:32,079
was in charge of

1548
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:33,920
advanced weapons development for the air

1549
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:34,799
force

1550
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:36,799
and here i am sitting in my research

1551
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:39,119
room behind me at the conference table

1552
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,440
and i have a retired lieutenant colonel

1553
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:43,440
and lieutenant colonel and we're talking

1554
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:45,760
seriously about the ufo subject

1555
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:47,440
and i bring that up for for a very

1556
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:49,040
important reason

1557
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,520
uh when the pentagon uap report came out

1558
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:53,040
people were somewhat disappointed that

1559
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:55,119
it didn't have much information or it

1560
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:57,599
lacked detail etc

1561
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,400
but as a result of that

1562
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:02,640
more military people active duty or

1563
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:04,000
retired are coming forward and

1564
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:05,599
approaching people like myself and

1565
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:08,079
others in the ufo field

1566
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:10,880
for the 30 years or 31 years leading up

1567
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:14,079
to that i never had an active active or

1568
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:16,079
retired lieutenant colonel or colonel in

1569
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:17,280
the air force

1570
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:19,839
contact me voluntarily to say i'd like

1571
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,079
to sit down and talk ufos with you but

1572
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:24,240
as a result of that uap report coming

1573
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:25,119
out

1574
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:27,680
the culture of silence has changed the

1575
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,559
culture of skepticism has changed these

1576
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,640
people feel more emboldened to contact

1577
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:34,400
me another one that contacted me was out

1578
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:36,559
of omaha nebraska

1579
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:39,359
and i believe if our memory serves he

1580
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:41,680
was another uh retired lieutenant

1581
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:43,839
colonel in the air force

1582
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:46,079
and he contacted me and stated much to

1583
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:47,760
my surprise and by the way i did a

1584
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:49,200
little investigative work and i did

1585
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,240
verify he is who he said he was

1586
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:54,240
he stated that i just want to let you

1587
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:56,880
know continue the research you're doing

1588
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:59,200
i'm following it now that i'm retired

1589
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:00,720
i've been following your research on

1590
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:03,520
these triangular ufos and i know a

1591
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:05,599
number of other retired and active duty

1592
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:07,520
military who are also following your

1593
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:09,839
research on the subject

1594
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:12,400
so that was some incredible validation

1595
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:14,000
for the work that i was doing coming

1596
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:15,520
from an individual like that and again i

1597
00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:18,799
did verify he is who he said he was uh

1598
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:20,079
you know after he had initially

1599
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:22,880
contacted me so the point is

1600
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:24,880
the the nature of the dialogue is

1601
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:26,960
changing where we are getting very

1602
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:29,440
serious people uh retired or active duty

1603
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:31,599
military or intelligence that are

1604
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:33,680
engaging with researchers like myself

1605
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:38,240
and others and having that dialogue and

1606
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:40,079
it's just i think it bodes well for the

1607
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:41,040
future

1608
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:43,440
uh again i've said it before the more

1609
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:45,359
brains and sets of eyes we have that are

1610
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:47,760
looking at the subject and collaborating

1611
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:49,920
i think it just it really bodes well for

1612
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,640
the future of ufology

1613
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:54,160
and all those you just mentioned are

1614
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:56,640
quite uh you know quite the connections

1615
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:57,760
to have

1616
00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:59,680
um so

1617
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:02,160
you know i i have a one last question

1618
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:04,559
for you before we uh finish up but uh

1619
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:06,799
again i need to interject one of my own

1620
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:07,520
so

1621
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,319
what did they tell you i mean would they

1622
00:59:17,829 --> 00:59:15,119
give you some pretty um eye raising

1623
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:17,839
information or was it just that you know

1624
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:20,000
they're finding that yeah there's more

1625
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:22,400
validity to this too from the uh

1626
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:24,880
military governmental point of view

1627
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:26,960
yeah they didn't disclose any

1628
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:28,880
sensitive or classified information i'd

1629
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:30,400
love to tell you they did i wish they

1630
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:34,549
i couldn't have said that they did i

1631
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:36,640
don't want to get them in trouble but no

1632
00:59:41,270 --> 00:59:38,960
in all honesty they didn't divulge any

1633
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:41,280
secrets or anything of that nature they

1634
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:43,520
did infer though that during their time

1635
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:45,119
in the air force they had heard about

1636
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:46,799
reports they had talked to other people

1637
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:48,559
that had had sightings

1638
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:50,319
and they basically

1639
00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:52,480
implied that you know in fact at one

1640
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:54,319
point they were being very cryptic and i

1641
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:56,319
asked the colonel the retired colonel i

1642
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:57,599
said so

1643
01:00:01,589 --> 01:00:00,559
ufos real or not and he looked at me and

1644
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:01,599
he goes

1645
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:02,370
oh yeah

1646
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:04,799
[Laughter]

1647
01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:06,960
and so and that's what's interesting is

1648
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,720
for people like chris christopher mellon

1649
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:10,319
who you know much of your audience i'm

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01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:12,000
sure is familiar with with chris and his

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01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:14,720
work on the ufo uap subject

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01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,559
the thing that you have to understand in

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01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:18,480
dealing with these people

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01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:21,040
i i always say that the conversation is

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01:00:25,109 --> 01:00:22,880
usually a one-way street

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01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:25,119
i can tell them what i'm finding what

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01:00:28,150 --> 01:00:26,720
i'm researching what i'm investigating

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01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:28,160
and they're keenly interested in and i

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01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:29,839
can tell you

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01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:30,640
but

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01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:33,440
i can't ask them what they know because

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01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:35,359
obviously they're bound by security

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01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:36,400
oaths

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01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:40,079
secrecy non-disclosure agreements etc so

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01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:42,240
i understand that going in and i think

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01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:44,319
that's why i've been successful

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01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:46,880
in garnering some of these uh military

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01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:48,640
and intelligence people wanting to talk

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01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:50,000
to me about the subject because i don't

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01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:52,480
put them in an uncomfortable position

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01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:54,880
asking questions that i know they can't

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01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:56,480
that they can't answer

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01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:57,680
right

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01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:00,240
yeah you definitely maintain their trust

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01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:04,400
um so david last question from hazel uh

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01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:06,880
is she's asking in your opinion which

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01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:08,960
follower just has the most useful

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01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:11,440
information

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01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:13,839
that's a really good question hazel wow

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01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:16,640
i got to think on that one a minute

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01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:21,510
that's a really hard one

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01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:22,960
um

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01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:24,400
because as you know there's popularity

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01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:25,839
and there's credibility the two don't

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01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:27,280
necessarily go together i can think of

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01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:29,119
some popular researchers but i wouldn't

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01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:31,359
necessarily say they're credible i i

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01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:34,559
will go to my default answer on that uh

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01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:35,839
i'm sure there's some other ones i could

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01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:37,359
think of but the one that i will tell

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01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:39,440
you that i have relied on that i have

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01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:40,720
respected

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01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:42,799
uh is jacques valet

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01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:45,359
uh and i say that because

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01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:47,440
i have verified some of the information

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01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:49,200
some of the cases he's talked about some

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01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:50,640
of the french cases i've recently

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01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:53,280
acquired some french periodicals that

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01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:54,880
touch on some of the cases that jacques

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01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:56,799
valet wrote about in his early years and

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01:02:01,589 --> 01:01:58,640
i verified the information through those

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01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:01,599
sources as well as foreign researchers

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01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:03,119
but i also

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01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:05,359
trusted respect jacques for one very

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01:02:11,029 --> 01:02:07,839
important reason he's postulated

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01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:11,039
different theories on the ufo subject

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01:02:15,029 --> 01:02:13,119
and the nature of the ufo subject

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01:02:17,829 --> 01:02:15,039
i've respected jacques because he's

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01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:17,839
never gone down the pathway or one might

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01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:20,400
say the rabbit hole of belief

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01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:22,480
quite often researchers that get into

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01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:24,240
the subject

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01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:26,640
they're objective but over time that

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01:02:31,510 --> 01:02:29,039
objectivity erodes and you find yourself

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01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:31,520
falling into the trap of belief which

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01:02:37,029 --> 01:02:33,839
then skews your objectivity

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01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:37,039
jacques to my knowledge has never ever

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01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:39,359
hung his hat or his coat on one pet

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01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:42,160
theory he's put forth a number of them

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01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:44,960
but he concedes that we can't be sure of

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01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:47,680
anything with regard to this ufo subject

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01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:49,920
and as i wrote in my book back in 2013

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01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:52,079
and i still say this today

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01:02:56,309 --> 01:02:54,160
despite having lots of data data doesn't

1725
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:56,319
necessarily equate to answers and

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01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:58,799
there's no shame as a ufo researcher

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01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:00,880
saying we don't know

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01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:03,119
and i i kind of question those

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01:03:07,990 --> 01:03:05,039
researchers that think they do know the

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01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:08,000
answers to the ufo subject i i often

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01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:10,160
liken it to religion if you've got that

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01:03:14,309 --> 01:03:12,400
religious leader tell asking you to send

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01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:14,319
in your money and he's telling you i

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01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:16,559
know what god wants of you i always tell

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01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:18,720
people you need to run the other way

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01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:20,960
and same holds true with ufos if someone

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01:03:25,029 --> 01:03:22,559
tells you they know all the answers to

1738
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:25,039
the ufo mystery they know why the aliens

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01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:26,720
are here and they know

1740
01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:29,760
how how you fit into the whole framework

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01:03:33,430 --> 01:03:31,760
run the other way it's it's the

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01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:33,440
researchers that i respect that say i

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01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:35,200
don't have any answers i have some

1744
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:36,880
insights and i have some data i'd like

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01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:39,359
to share and that's really where i fall

1746
01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:41,520
i'm gonna share a lot of information

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01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:43,920
and uh but you know there's a reason we

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01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:45,920
call this the ufo mystery it's still a

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01:03:49,990 --> 01:03:47,680
mystery right

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01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:50,000
well david thank you for that so just in

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01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:51,920
conclusion i want to give you the the

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01:03:55,510 --> 01:03:54,000
last word to just uh finish off with

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01:03:58,390 --> 01:03:55,520
whatever it is on your mind that you

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01:04:00,789 --> 01:03:58,400
would like to leave the audience with

1755
01:04:03,990 --> 01:04:00,799
well i'd just like to say that as we've

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01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:04,000
touched on already i started attending

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01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:06,160
the ufo conference in eureka springs i

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01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:09,200
believe it was 1991 or 92.

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01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:10,960
and i have attended off and on since

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01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,520
then i started lecturing there in 2000

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01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:15,599
uh not to sound like a paid

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01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:17,839
infomercial or commercial but

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01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:20,400
uh it is truly one of the best ufo

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01:04:25,829 --> 01:04:22,400
conferences in the country and i just

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01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:25,839
don't say that based on the presenters i

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01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:27,839
say that based on the people of eureka

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01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:30,160
springs arkansas they make you feel so

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01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:31,680
welcome and at home

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01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:35,200
the landscape is beautiful but truly uh

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01:04:40,230 --> 01:04:37,839
you know the conference organizers

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01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:40,240
have done a wonderful job of presenting

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01:04:45,990 --> 01:04:42,240
really a stellar

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01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:46,000
lineup of presenters and a stellar

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01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:48,240
venue really

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01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:49,760
and

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01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:53,200
my fellow presenters

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01:04:56,230 --> 01:04:55,039
yes hopefully you'll learn things and

1778
01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:56,240
you'll be entertained attending the

1779
01:05:01,029 --> 01:04:58,799
lectures there but i'm here to tell you

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01:05:02,870 --> 01:05:01,039
if you stay up late at night you learn

1781
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:02,880
so much by just talking to other people

1782
01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:04,720
from other parts of the country and

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01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:06,640
establishing the network because truly

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01:05:10,710 --> 01:05:08,960
there's people from all walks of life

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01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:10,720
from all across the country that attend

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01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:13,119
this conference and it is truly one of

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01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:15,359
the best conferences hands down on the

1788
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:17,039
subject

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01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:19,039
well there you have it david thank you

1790
01:05:23,349 --> 01:05:21,280
very much again i really appreciate it

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01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:23,359
um in the description below for all of

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01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:26,640
you watching um i have uh david's link

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01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:29,680
to his website um also link to his

1794
01:05:33,670 --> 01:05:31,520
amazon book and i certainly always hope

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01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:33,680
that any guests that i have on that you

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01:05:37,990 --> 01:05:35,680
guys check them out and support them in

1797
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:38,000
any way possible also

1798
01:05:42,069 --> 01:05:40,319
again the link for the registration to

1799
01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:42,079
get your tickets for either live

1800
01:05:47,349 --> 01:05:44,559
streaming or in person is in description

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01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:47,359
below so long story short everything is

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01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:49,440
in description box below

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01:05:54,549 --> 01:05:52,079
so uh david thank you again i really

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01:05:56,069 --> 01:05:54,559
appreciate you taking the time and um i

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01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:56,079
always you know i'm excited when

1806
01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:57,839
somebody could answer questions because

1807
01:06:02,470 --> 01:05:59,839
people you know always have questions of

1808
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:02,480
their own and many times when somebody

1809
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:04,000
says oh i was late or whatever i'm like

1810
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:05,520
you should have written it down or put

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01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:06,799
in your calendar because it's not my

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01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:07,920
fault

1813
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:09,599
well i look forward to seeing you on a

1814
01:06:13,029 --> 01:06:10,960
personal note and i look forward to

1815
01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:13,039
seeing as much as many of your audience

1816
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:14,640
members as well hopefully in person if

1817
01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:16,400
not virtually

1818
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:18,000
yeah me too because i know i'm probably

1819
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:19,760
going to be meeting a few of them so

1820
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:21,760
it's always it's it's a

1821
01:06:25,349 --> 01:06:23,440
first one really for me you know for

1822
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:25,359
someone like hey i you know watch the

1823
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:27,039
show i'm going to be down there i'm like

1824
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:29,440
awesome you know let's meet

1825
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:31,680
absolutely yeah all right well um

1826
01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:33,440
everyone else watching thank you all

1827
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:34,480
very much